Life Advice From THE Vegan Drag Queen - Part 1 with Honey LaBronx




Honey LaBronx stars in her own YouTube cooking series, The Vegan Drag Queen, and hosts the Big Fat Vegan Radio podcast. An LGBTQ rights activist, she is committed to bringing discussions about animal rights, intersectionality, and social justice to new audiences. In 2011, she was one of 8 activists arrested for blocking New York City traffic while demonstrating for marriage equality alongside her drag mother, Bob The Drag Queen. She has performed around the world raising funds for local animal sanctuaries, rescues, and activist organizations. Out of drag Honey (Ben Strothmann) is an actor, singer, playwright, and theatrical photographer, originally from Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Honey and Carly get into so many good conversations in this episode, from how to make your own soy milk to manifesting. There was so much goodness that this is only part 1!


Please note, this episode has been transcribed by a computer, expect some typos!


Carly Puch

Welcome back to another episode of Consciously Clueless. I'm your host, Carly and I'll be your guide on this journey from consciousness to cluelessness and back around again. Today on the podcast I talked to Honey LaBronx. Honey LaBronx stars in her own YouTube cooking series, the vegan drag queen can host the big fat vegan radio, podcast, and LGBT rights activist she is committed to bring in discussions about animal rights intersectionality and social justice to new audiences. In 2011. She was one of eight activists arrested for blocking New York City traffic while demonstrating for marriage equality alongside her drag mother Bob the drag queen. She has performed around the world raising funds for local animal sanctuaries, rescues and activist organizations out of drag honey, Ben Strassman is an actor, singer and playwright and theatrical photographer originally from Milwaukee, Wisconsin. This conversation was so good, we literally get into everything. So much so that this is only part one, we will be continuing the conversation and releasing Part Two next week. Here we go.

Carly Puch

Sure, so usually, first of all, thank you for joining me.

Honey LaBronx

Oh my god, yeah.

Carly Puch

And making time. But second of all, I really like starting so the podcast is called consciously clueless. And I did that with this space of being like, I'm learning so much. And there's those days where you wake up and you're like, well, I'm conscious. And with it, I get it. uncentered and then there's those days you wake up, and you're like, I'm clueless. I have no idea what's going on what is the world and everything in between? Like, that's what I want to cover. It's like, That's life. That's all of it. So I like asking people, like, where are you at in this moment on that spectrum of conscious to cluelessness?

Honey LaBronx

I don't know why that feels like a pop quiz to me, but I'm like,

Carly Puch

It's not a trick. It's not a trap. So much to say about no say at all.

Honey LaBronx

Um do you have do you need to officially like okay, and we're starting in 123? Or are you just starting out ever? Okay, go if we're gonna, if we're gonna just go I'll start by saying that the reason I'm late is and I have ADHD and if you know anything about me, you know that aside from being vegan, and a drag queen, I have ADHD and I love spreadsheets and really do it yourselfer. And yes, maybe that kind of comes a bit from my own toxic masculinity, like I'm gonna show how macho I am. But I have like a full woodworking studio in my small Manhattan apartment and I recently got into like, you know, what, if it's the fifth time I have to cut through steel bars myself with a tiny hacksaw, I'm gonna get a Dremel and just start doing it. So I like making my own soy milk when you make soy milk and you are simmering it the thick skin forms at the top that's called Yuba. And when I was once making this is all the explanation of why I'm late by the way. So these are the I don't tell short stories. I wish I could.

Carly Puch

Oh, me neither. I always apologize. Like when I'm like long story short, and then I'm like, just kidding.

Honey LaBronx

Story long. I think I got that backwards. I once followed me Yoko's on Turkey recipe, which I still recommend, if for nothing else, the blend of spices and the resulting gravy that you end up making? I don't drink I'm a person recovery. 12 years sober.

Carly Puch

Yeah, congratulations.

Honey LaBronx

Thank you. I now do use wine in my cooking sparingly and only when it's indicated. And I'm not saying that's okay. For everyone in recovery. Right? You do you if you're in your first five years, just don't even think about it and then whatever. But so you do want to add the white wine in her gravy because it does. Make it it's it's it's like an MSG. It gives it that oh my god, what am I eating thing. So anyway, I've been making my own soy milk and I could give a whole hour.

Carly Puch

I know I'm fascinated by the fact that you make your own soy milk. I thought I was doing good with oat milk.

Honey LaBronx

I could bet oh, you make your own oatmeal. Yeah. Oh, I am so sorry. What do you need something do you need? Do you need to sit down for a minute? Making oat milk is its own whole other thing.

Carly Puch

Mm hmm.

Honey LaBronx

Do you strain it through something? Yeah. What?

Carly Puch

Just like a cheese cloth like bag.

Honey LaBronx

Oh, God, I yeah. The first time I made it. They said here's the thing about and I don't know who they are, but I didn't even meet them. But they said the thing about oatmilk is it's so hard to strain it because it's just so it's too fine. It will pass through cheesecloth or not going back so they said you really have to get a clean like wet rinsed, white t shirt. It's the only thing that's like such a thin metal stain. Even oats particles won't pass through it.

Carly Puch

Yeah, milk gets a little chunky.

Honey LaBronx

Oh yeah, well, you straighten through the T shirt material. You better clear your skirt like like, how long did you have four hours because like it's not passing through on its own. And if you squeeze and apply pressure, that's great. You're also forcing old particles out. And when you are done, no matter how much you rinse that shirt and you dry it, you're done with that shirt. Because if you feel that that part of the shirt feels like the shirt is wax coated, like there's a, it's still cloth. It's still pliable, but it feels like it's a wax coated cotton, which is actually really expensive wax coated cotton, so maybe we're onto something but when you make soy milk, the Yuba skin forms at the top, and I could go into a whole other thing about how I distill my own water and so I use distilled water but I also use filtered water before I distill it and blah, blah, blah the difference that makes but Okay, okay, I got in straining the Yuba, there's a skin that forms around the top and you go in with like chopsticks or something to like, break it up. And now you imagine you're trying to get under a flat two dimensional large circle with two chopsticks to lift it out. It is not going to stay flat. It's not going to hold its shape.

Carly Puch

And I imagine a scoby of kombucha like.

Honey LaBronx

No, I've heard that. I don't know what that looks like.

Carly Puch

Okay, never mind. Yes. Imagining you trying to lift out with chopsticks. And in my head. That doesn't make any sense. But maybe

Honey LaBronx

Scoby, so it's probably something that forms at the top.

Carly Puch

Yeah, it's like the it's the symbiotic cultures and bacteria and yeast i think is what it stands for.

Honey LaBronx

I'm sure I'm spelling scoby wrong, but I'm so ob why I was close. I had I had just an an IPN. Um, well, at any rate, oh, I see it now. Oh, God, that looks like a percent up. But I'm not seeing any. Yes, it does. So I created this in my mind. I was just and if you want to take like a screenshot of this, Are you absolutely sure of it so that people can see it in the show notes or whatever. Yeah, this is just a wire mesh cooling rack like it has like the little fold out legs. Well, I went through this whole thing because when you go to like Chinatown and you buy a Yuba, they're usually at least this big. This is probably about 13 inches around circumference. circumference, no diameter, 13 inches. And when you bite them, they are folded in half, and then in half again. Okay, so you get them wet, and then you're able to unfold them, because they fold in half and in half again, it makes them a lot easier to store because it's not a huge circle. It's a folded thing. So I basically took this rack, I cut it which cutting through steel is difficult, I got these teeny tiny key rings and held the whole thing together. So it's hinged. So now I can put this at the bottom of my pot. And just with strings on all four sides, just lift it out to the so the Yuba skin just seamlessly lifts out without interrupting its shape and then fold it that way. And then fold it that way. I'm brilliant. I win the internet. I win DIY. I love the expression on your face. I appreciate that you're not like so anyway,

Carly Puch

No, I'm just thinking, this is how you monetize your podcast. I mean, this is brilliant.

Honey LaBronx

I also was thinking when I finished this and like Could I make? Here's why I will never make another one. So I'm cutting through steel. Hmm. Imagine then sitting down on your couch, which is just a few feet away. They're worse, your sparks flying everywhere while you're doing this. Here's the thing in the moment. They're sparks Yeah, because it's still that hot. It gets hot from the friction. When they cool and they land that's just shrapnel. I've learned a couple of things. When you're cutting through metal when you're cutting through steel, especially wear a hat. I have shrapnel in my scalp. I got most of it out. Thank you tweezers. Um, the sparks were kind of flying against my arm the whole time. But for some reason that was fine. While they're still sparks. I'm like they're not. But also, I had to every time I sat down on my couch and you would think this would be big enough you'd see the shrapnel from this can be so small that you don't you can't see it unless the light catches it. They're almost like tiny hairs.

Carly Puch

So what I'm hearing is that you also have shrapnel on your ass.

Honey LaBronx

I didn't want to say it I'm gonna listen the price of steel what it is I'm just saying My ass is that much more expensive. Like there's moments where you're like, Oh, you don't feel it until you move a certain way and then your clothing rubs a certain way and you're like, oh, there's something in there. And but so before sitting back down on the couch I had to grab my furniture back my furniture, my vacuum with furniture taxman and head on Vacuum all the upholstery before I could sit down because last time I'm like, oh, I'll just sit down on a towel. No shrapnel will go through it anyway, but I'm here.

Carly Puch

I relate 1,000% I bought a shortbus and I'm remodeling it to be like a tiny home on wheels.

Honey LaBronx

Oh my God, that's my dream. That's my dream. That's my dream. Oh, God.

Carly Puch

Yes. And I had to cut out every bus seat because of the angle and everything. So which felt really badass because I'm like, in there and like, you know, I'm like, like real life Rosie the Riveter. You know, there's like sparks flying and everything. But then I totally like afterwards to be like, What the? What did I? Oh, yeah, like hours later? Yeah. Where you're just like, oh, there's there's stuff in my skin.

Honey LaBronx

Yeah. I mean, I'm realizing now I'm like, I should wear. There was a moment. I realized while doing this, I'm like, I'm not wearing protective goggles. Those are just my glasses. I'm like, put the goggles on. Yep, yep, put a hat on. I kept forgetting to put a hat on. I even stopped to get video of it for the Instagram because I'm like, there's sparks flying everywhere. This is. Absolutely there's a boy or two I'm talking to online and they, every time they see this, they're like, Oh my God, you're so macho. You keep getting sexy.

Carly Puch

Likw who me?

Honey LaBronx

I'm gonna play up. I'm like, I'm like, I don't want to call myself Rosie the Riveter because I'm taking away the sexy points. But in those moments, it's like, yeah, I should probably wear like my new foe leather jacket to protect me anyway. But I love the short bus. I Where do you live?

Carly Puch

So I live I'm actually weirdly in Kansas right now because I'm visiting my best friend from grad school. But I mean, I live in Minnesota but I happen to be in Kansas.

Honey LaBronx

No, I'm kidding. I know. I've never been but I am assuming it holds up. No, Minnesota.

Carly Puch

Yes. And you're from Wisconsin.

Honey LaBronx

Yeah, I was gonna ask where you're from when you said be bag earlier.

Carly Puch

Huh? Um, I am from Grand Marais, Minnesota. So like way up north.

Honey LaBronx

Okay. I'm from Milwaukee, Wisconsin. What do you know? Because I say Milwaukee not yes.

Carly Puch

I do know, I'm like 45 minutes from the Canadian border. So that's how I got fire up on right on Lake Superior.

Honey LaBronx

The further up you get, the more that accent is just it's funny because coming from the Midwest and moving to the east coast. People would like growing up in Wisconsin and hearing a Canadian accent. I would laugh at it like oh my god, they seriously talk like that. Then you move to the east coast. And people are like, Oh, are you from Canada? I'm like, no. I was talking to my mom the other day and just hearing her say the word WAT er. That is one of the words where you're like, I will find out where someone's from. I'm a Pisces. I'm a Pisces? Really? Yeah, I know, your rising and your other thing.

Carly Puch

Um, Sagittarius and Libra.

Honey LaBronx

Okay, um, you know if those are fire or air, or Earth Wind and Fire.

Carly Puch

Are we gonna start singing?

Honey LaBronx

I'm a Pisces, with a Pisces. Other thing and a cancer moon. I'm guessing that's a Pisces with the Pisces rising and a cancer moon. So I'm a no but I actually found out that I'm not a Pisces, a double Pisces like I thought I'm a Pisces. Aquarius rising and Aquarius is technically not well, it's, it's it's an air sign. So I'm a double water with an Air Show. I'm very transfer anyway. So I'm very transformative. And water takes the shape of its surroundings. So the first time I went to England, I was like afraid to talk because I could not help a weird phony English accent would come out of my mouth and I couldn't help it.

Carly Puch

Oh, my gosh, yeah.

Honey LaBronx

I remember. So glad you're saying this. Why did you have the same experience?

Carly Puch

Well, I just like also, like, I feel like, like a, like a parent or something. Sometimes, like I want to when I hear something I want to I want to see if I can do it. Yeah.

Honey LaBronx

Yeah. yeah. Okay, keep going. Except for like an Australian accent or a Texas accent. There's certain accents. I just know I cannot do. I was a character actor in a play about God 12 years ago, and I had to play a Jew, an old Jewish man. Not necessarily old, but I had to do a like, legit, Yiddish accent. And I had someone who grew up in that like, in like, Crown Heights, Brooklyn, and she's like, Oh my god, I grew up with this accent. I can and she taught me the entire accent. And I also learned it from I got an accent coach tape. And people were like, and I'm that actor that when I'm in something, I'll go off stage for a moment come back on is this character that I only do for that scene then go off and become you know, ensemble or whoever. Right? And people don't recognize my own friends come to see the show and don't recognize that I was also that other person. Oh, I thought that was just some Shakespearean actor or some Yiddish man, whatever. Um, and that was actually before I became a Drag Queen, but it's kind of what I love about drag is I have the ability to put on makeup or put on a costume. And I can like, just become a different, like I am cisgender I'm not trans. But when I am in drag, Mm hmm. I am a woman like I just am, unless there's like a hot guy in the audience. And then I'm very immediately reminded like, Oh, I'm a guy. But like I was I was doing a high school play a High School Musical. I don't want to say a High School Musical because now it sounds like we're doing High School Musical. Yeah, yeah. We're doing we were doing Westside sorry. I was doing the dream ballet. And I really did not care for my partner. I adore her at the time. I did not care for her for some reasons. I was mad. But in my mind when we're on stage, I'm like, like it or not, when we're on stage. I am in love with you. I like my son. Surely this is my really, this is the most important relationship in my life.

Carly Puch

Yep, absolutely.

Honey LaBronx

Put him on stage.

Carly Puch

Bye!

Honey LaBronx

Saying that, oh, yeah, so the accent thing. I'm getting better about finding my way back from like this, the skinnier and skinnier branches on my tangents. And that means the Wellbutrin is working. Which according to some vegans out there means I'm not vegan. So the water thing, so I take on my accent, I can't help it, it starts to shift to where I am. So I now actually and I'm gonna say it weird because I'm thinking about how I'm saying it. But if I say, wh er, I'm usually going to say water. Now that to me, sounds normal. Not water, right? Sometimes in New York, people will say water like there's an AR in it. I don't know why. And it just happens. And I have said it on ironically, just not meaning to say it's like, the first time my mom heard me say water. And she's like, what did you say? And I'm like water and she's like, God, that sounds so gross. I'm like, Well, how are you supposed to say it's wider?

Carly Puch

Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh, it's so real.

Honey LaBronx

It's so strident? Isn't it? Sounds like someone's just taken witchhazel to my ears like, okay, okay. It's wider.

Carly Puch

Yes, I when I saw my mom is grew up in Georgia in Florida. And so only when she's like, really tired. Does a southern accent come out, but you can't tell. But when her and I went to Georgia the first time to visit one of her siblings. I was probably eight and it was the first time I'd been down there. And Georgia. Like that's a different Southern than Florida. Right. Like that's a different thing in terms of accent kind of thing. And like terms of accent. Sure.

Honey LaBronx

Yeah. In terms of South yeah, like,

Carly Puch

and also,

Honey LaBronx

There's parts of Florida that you can consider yourself. Yeah,

Carly Puch

Tes. So then we went down there. And I don't really remember this because I was pretty young. But I've been told that we called my dad one of the first nights we were there. And I was like, hey, Daddy, and had this Southern accent and my dad was like, what's happening? And my mom was like, she just I don't know. Like, she's just that's how she's talking now. Like, she's been here for a day and a half. And I never connected it to like Pisces and that like watery sign.

Honey LaBronx

Yeah, water like fishbowl is now the shape of the fishbowl, the fishbowl. It takes on the shape of whatever's so like, Do you notice that you're very affected by your environment?

Carly Puch

Understatement.

Honey LaBronx

This is therapy now. Well, I seriously with ADHD, I'm also affected by my environment. Um, and I've been doing a huge decluttering and remodeling and putting up shelves everywhere. DIY. Oh, my God so much. I don't own stock in The Container Store. I don't do stocks anymore. It's all about crypto. But that's a different podcast. But as my apartment gets, like, if I'm ever staying in like a hotel, or someone else's home, and I wake up in the morning, and it's just a clean, tidy room. There, there is nowhere that my eye is drawn to. Oh, that's right, I have to make a decision about that thing. Oh, I can't forget that. I did not send everything I used to have a roommate who, whether he mentioned this way or not. He was like things talk to me. He's like, the stairs are talking to me. And they are yelling at me that they need to be scrubbed in vacuums. And I'm like, okay, but I can kind of get what he means now in that. Everything. I think it was like 80% of the information we take in is through our eyes. And every thing this is and this is again, everything I'm going to say is it different is a whole new is a whole different podcast, but our entire experience of being alive only exists in language, your experience or self is a linguistic phenomenon. Helen Keller, for example. And by the way, speaking of intersectionality there, I love Helen Keller. I feel like I love her enough that if I make a Helen Keller joke it's because of like I have I can't think of anyone I have more reverence for the fact that this woman could never I mean has no memory. of the time she was young enough when she still could see. But a woman who cannot see or hear, who grew up to be one of the greatest philosophers and writers once said, If languages are the instruments of like the orchestra of humanity, Greek is the violin. Oh, I'm like, how can Helen Keller know that? Like, how can she know? Can you imagine like, sensing that with your brain without having ever used your ears, but anyway, 80% of the information that comes in is is visual. But everything we experience is word based language based. If you've ever heard of or done the artists way, Julia Cameron also talks about art is a language based a word based? No, no, she says the opposite. It's a wordless language. It's an image based language, right? Even if art is change chasing those images with words, I'm saying based on that, like chasing them. Yeah, I can't take credit. She says that herself. But, um, so, but that's a different. That's a different idea. That's the idea of arts. I'm talking about our experience of life exists on the language. But here's the thing. Helen Keller before and by the way, if we've seen the 1950s Patty, Duke version of the miracle worker, this is not a video podcast. So you can already see that I'm frustrated because I'm like, I I'm touching both my eyebrows. But Helen Keller, remember that if you've seen the movie, or at least seen this? While but yes, pumping the water in her hands, and suddenly she gets it and drops the pitcher, rude. drops the pitcher starts signing? And she says Yep, yep. No, bitch. You've never heard the word water. You've never heard anything. You don't know how to sound out, you know? But like how the 1950s were dumb enough that like the audience won't get it. you spell it out for them. literally have to spell it out for them in a movie that is about someone having to spell things out for us. Oh my god, that is messed up. But anyway, I'm not Patty Duke. I'm sure he she has her own story. Helen Keller Has she has said that before she got language. Before language like descended on to her. She did not like every life was just a whirling mass of sensations that were not connected in any way. They didn't mean anything. There was just feelings and, and smells and flavors. That was it. The whole world is feeling smells and flavors. And like this hurts. That feels good. This is warm, but not even language to like, this is warm. This is cold. Just.

Carly Puch

Yeah.

Honey LaBronx

She said before when she thinks back on that time of her life, there was no experience of herself. As this is me, I am separate from the world. This woman here is my mother. This one here is not my family. But she is my teacher. This is our home. Oh, this is my bet. There was no concept of so without language. There was no experience of her itself. There was no experience of her life. Your life What is your life your life? If you think of your life, you don't think of the smells the tastes the feelings. You think of the story about those smells and tastes and feeling Oh, I'll never forget it. I was in the Disney Cruise. We went to this special restaurant the chef made me something special for as a vegan. There's it's all contextual. So Right, right. Why was I saying that about about words? I don't Oh, yes, language as 80% of the information that comes into our brains is all all through our eyes. It's still all filtered through language, it's still all filtered through words. That is as far back as I can walk the tangent. I forgot why I was out on that tangent.

Carly Puch

Well, we were talking about, like waking up and seeing that there is like clear space...

Honey LaBronx

And you so don't have ADHD do? No, I don't, I don't even know what it's like to not have ADHD. You can probably kind of hear how my brain works as someone with ADHD like there's so much happening in my brain once I can only get so many words out. But that's the thing. So everything is visual, right? All 80% of the information comes in is through our eyes. And I could talk about the cognitive trade off the fact that we've learned to rely on language we actually disregard a lot of information that comes in through our eyes, which is why I think it chimps have a photographic memory. You can show them a sequence of dots or numbers for a split second, and they can remember we're all about Whereas a human can't, because they don't have a spoken language like we do, that they've learned to rely on. And so their brains have learned, our brains have just learned to rely less on immediate short term memory visual indicators, because we're like, I'll listen to this person's words and the tone of voice to get what, you know if I'm in danger or not. But, um, so But anyway, looking around the room and seeing all of these things, every one of them is like, I have to fold those and put them back. That's right, I have to empty those baskets. Right, right. So when I'm in a cluttered environment, which I still very much AM, because everything is still in progress, my mind can't rest and just create from nothing, because I never wake up to a clean slate. If I wake up in like a hotel room, I'll wake up like, Ah, it's a new day, you know what I'm going to write my morning pages. I want to have a cup of coffee, I'm going to sit by the window while I do it, and just look out of and it's like, suddenly, I'm this whole other person. And so as much as I've been trying to work on myself, I have found I actually have to start with my physical environment absolutely is. It's almost like if I was my own goldfish, it's like, yeah, yeah, we can talk about your goldfish his health, but unless we talk about the health of the water, it's in like, there's no point in giving it a gummy multivitamin.

Carly Puch

I think we totally don't talk enough about our physical surroundings in terms of like, our houses and our clutter and our, like, our attachment to things and the connection as to our mental health. Yeah, yeah, that we have to talk about that more, because it's so true. Like, if I can tell in the morning, the difference between me waking up with no dishes in the sink, and waking up with dishes in the sink. Those are two different experiences. It's on small, but it is like, Ah, oh shit, I forgot to do that.

Honey LaBronx

Have you ever heard of fly lady? The website is fly lady dotnet though I'm sure flight lady calm exists as well. And she fly stands for finally loving yourself as in. Finally loving yourself through action. Like I think of love is a verb. So it's not about like, do you love me? Like, how do you feel about me? It's about like, what am I doing for myself that demonstrates that love. And she has like this 30 days of baby steps which are essentially micro habits. So tonight, the only thing you're going to do on day one is make sure that there's no dishes in the sink before you go to bed and you're going to scrub the shame isn't the sink into what she calls shining the sink where you like. You fill it to the absolute brim with a boiling water and one cup of bleach, you let that sit for an hour you drain it, you scrub it with like a scouring cleaner. And then you rinse that and then you spray it down with like window cleaner and you bump it dry with newspaper. And she's talking about you get in there with dental floss and go around the corners of like the faucet and like or get a toothbrush to go around the town. It sounds crazy. Once you've done it, and you look at your sink, and it's gleaming, there's this mental lift and you like well, I want to keep this this way. So then day two, you just keep your sink, spotless. And like when I tie my sink, I will not only there's not just dishes in the sink, but I'm like, there's also droplets of water in the sink. Like I need to wipe that because otherwise that will get dirty. Um, and then like day two, you just keep your sink shining, but then also, like, pick the clothes that you're going to put on in the morning. day three, you do those two things again, and you figure out what you're going to eat for dinner, or anything. It's really great with ADHD. For me, I've never been able to follow it because with ADHD, you can develop tools to cope, but they only work so long as they are novel. Once the novelty wears off, the tool kind of stops working. It's like Yeah, I was using that thing, but then it kind of like wore off and whatever. Um, so I've never really made it through the whole the whole system. I've never really gave it my all. But uh, but yeah, that's why for her, she talks about starting with the kitchen sink. And if you're not wrong to talk about that, like I think we all kind of talk about the kitchen sink and we don't know why. But like it just it's kind of like the beginning of the health of our environment.

Carly Puch

That's so interesting. There's probably some psychology there, right? Like the singer for sure represents something. I'm, I'm positive. Oh,

Honey LaBronx

I'm sure of that.

Carly Puch

I'm okay. I want to go back before I forget. Yeah. Where are you on the spectrum of conscious and clueless right now in this moment.

Honey LaBronx

I would say more towards conscious just because of the nature of the things we're talking about. Um, I have a spiritual mentor. His name is john oliver N