How to Take Charge of Your Vegan Life with Nour Livia




Nour Livia is a sustainability advocate, promoter of all thing self love, thriving vegan, and so much more. Nour does this work through her writing, YouTube videos, content creation, and overall inspiring messages. Carly and Nour dive right into topics like depression, eating disorders, burnout in activism, how to show people why living a vegan life is amazing, the importance of self care, among so many other things.


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Carly Puch

Welcome back to another episode of Consciously Clueless. I'm your host, Carly, and I'll be your guide on this journey from cluelessness to consciousness and back around again. Today on the podcast, I talked to newer Livia. Nora is an advocate for helping all of us love ourselves to our planet, and others more. She does that through amazing conversations on her platforms about being vegan, about living sustainably, about self care, and a whole host of other things. We got into so many good topics, mental health, eating disorders, how to live a fulfilling life, how to influence others, I had such a good time talking to Nora, she is a beautiful human. And I know that you all will agree. So we can go ahead and get started. Again, thank you so much for joining me and being willing to hop on and as it's a new project, I appreciate it that you're having me and Hugh reached out to you. Cool. Good. So the first question I've been asking is about where you're at. So the podcast is called consciously clueless. And for me, that was just really creating a space for exploring what it means those moments in life where you're like, I'm doing great, I feel conscious, I'm with it, I'm on the path. And then those moments where you're like, the rug has been pulled out and feeling a little clueless. And then everything in between. So where are you at right now?

Nour Livia

I just want to say that I love the name, I thought it was like, Oh, thank you like a super cool idea. I really love the concepts. Because I mean, it's like we all every one of us on this path, who's trying to get better and make like make better decisions for the planet for the for everything. We all were like, it's still a learning process for everyone. Whenever we're always learning new things, and you can not be pervasive we all make mistakes along the way. It changes every day. Whenever our friends who are really clueless. I love entering and even then it but then I also when I'm communicating with people who are way more adventurous, I would say, the knee like, like, I have no idea what I'm doing, if you like, learn, yeah. It doesn't know who I'm interacting with. And also, yeah, I mean, you know, sometimes you make decisions that you think are gonna be good. And it turns out that they weren't that good, or they're not as easy to keep, like when so but what was it like almost two years ago, now I decided to quit flying completely. That was a big decision that I made that I thought I was going to be able to keep to keep it up. And it turned out that at some point, I was supposed to go see my family for Christmas, and there was no train going. And I had a good plan. It made me reevaluate everything and realize that I also have family on the other side of the world. And going there by lens going from Europe to South Africa, for example, by land would be the adventure of a lifetime. And I would like to see them more than once again in my life. So yeah, it kind of I think it's good to put things into perspective and try to also understand where other people come from when you when you feel like they're not doing everything that they should or they're doing their best. Everyone has a right story, different background. So for example, when I now I live in Portugal, I was living in Belgium. And it's just like simple things, but it's finding places for when it's just about a like a conscious and stable lifestyle, finding places to just buy your groceries in bulk and things like this. Very different from like one country to another. Also, recycling is very different in different countries. So you have to relearn everything and you don't I'm still struggling with recycling here because I don't I'm not sure what can and cannot be recycled and how. So I don't have a place here to compose. Well I did when I was in Belgium. Oh, yeah, I think there's we're always clueless.

Carly Puch

Yeah, a lot

Nour Livia

of things. But really, we're in a big mess of trying to navigate life last week, and I think

Carly Puch

it's comforting to know that we're like all in it together. Like if it's it's one thing to feel clueless alone, but if you're like, Oh, we're all just figuring it out. It's much easier to take. Yeah, exactly. So I would love to circle back to the no flying two years ago. What led to that

Nour Livia

decision. So as you may or may not know, I so I've, throughout the years, I've been making a lot of decisions about my lifestyle to reduce my impact on the planet. So that's how I went vegan started. Low waste lifestyle. And I always thought I heard that flying was bad for the environment. It was like, oh, but I'm already doing so much that can't be that bad, like I'm compensating with other things. And then I went to see a talk by my friend Evelina from Earth wonderous. Okay, and I saw a talk because she had quit flying about a year before that. And she did a whole talk about why she was lying and talking about all the emissions and gave all the numbers. And it made me realize that I had no idea what I was talking about when it came to flying, and all that kind of things. And it made me Yeah, put things in perspective and realize that I was actually being quiet. What's the word? People critical, in some way? And because I started to close my eyes, I wouldn't see the harm. And that made me realize that it was like, okay, yes, I can, I can do this. I'll do that too. I will, could find that. And I actually took part. In a fly free campaign. I said, Why in Belgium? And I did a lot of research about this. And yeah, and then as I told you, it was like, last December that I reevaluated this after for a year, and leaving the group started, like flying all the time and going to many places, but I think it's we can't be perfect in an imperfect world. So I think it's Brian to also consider this and try to cut ourselves some Slike. It's hard, because then I have the other side of my brain who's like, Yeah, but like, this is so unconscious, and so selfish. This, right. So it's like, it wasn't very, like it didn't say battle. So it's hard to decide what I shoot on what I shouldn't do. But I'm trying to trying to figure it out.

Carly Puch

I love we can't be perfect in an imperfect world. Because it's easy to forget that the system wasn't set up for all these things we want yet, you know, for low waist living and for vegan lifestyles to be accessible and less flying. Like, those are ideal, but the systems aren't there yet. So to judge ourselves trying to live perfectly in an imperfect world, I really think that that's important. And I know that's something I've struggled with, because when I first started diving into all those different things as well. I go in, like 1,000% I'm like, Oh, now I have to be perfectly zero waste. And then I started feeling bad about little things here and there and it wasn't making it fun anymore.

Nour Livia

I plan I didn't make it because very stressful one. Yeah, activism an environmental burnout is a thing. It's yeah, it can result take a toll on your mental health as well.

Carly Puch

Yes, definitely. Can you talk a little bit about burnout for activism, I think that's a really, it's not talked about,

Nour Livia

I actually went through it a little bit over a year ago, I was very involved in extinction rebellion, which is a big group for men's. I was coordinating the Belgian chapter for a while and as well as the Belgian communication group. So it was a lot at once, as well as working at the same time. So it was all volunteer. And when you start to realize how many ways the world is fucked. And you feel like you have to take all the all the weight of the world on your own shoulders, and that no one else cares. And I was trying to do everything I could to make things move as fast as possible. Until I realized that it wasn't not my responsibility, and I couldn't do that on my own. But yeah, I really burned out I was back in a very bad mental state because I when I was younger, I battled with depression a lot. And so I was kind of like sending me back to that. So I decided to really take a step back and yeah, just retire myself from certain rebellions for a little while. And yeah, so I'm still keeping an eye on everything, but not actually actively participating.

Carly Puch

I like can't stop shaking my head right now at everything you're saying. Because I relate so deeply to your experience. instead of just throwing in and wanting to do it all and realize you can't do it all alone, that is something I'm still learning and the toll it takes on your mental

Nour Livia

health. But on the other hand, there's also something I want to touch on, which is to try because there's no black and white. And a lot of people will be like, Oh, okay, so that can be very bad. So I should not do anything at all. And so we always have to find balance and find, try to find some middle ground. Because I know that a lot of people think that they try to do their best, but they don't actually do their best. So yeah, shouldn't find ourself excuses. To not write and not? Yeah, speak up, and change our lifestyles and try to be as good as possible for the world. So we have to find a balance. And it's very hard. Like, I don't have the answer on how to do this. But I think it's going to still try and do our best and not choose convenience over ethics.

Carly Puch

Yeah, honestly, what you just described is what I'm hoping to do with this podcast as well, right is help myself, learning from everyone I get to talk to, but also other people find that balance because as someone who has swung from, oh my gosh, it has to be perfect. And then you swing to the other side, and you're like, I can't even do this. You know, it is finding that in between, and I think that's what's overwhelming when people try and make changes. So can you tell me a little bit more about when and how you became vegan?

Nour Livia

Yeah. So I became began a little bit over four years ago, it was my beginning. mercerie very

Carly Puch

happy anniversary.

Nour Livia

Yeah, so I went vegan four years ago, I went straight from eating meat to begin. I went vegan twice. So I actually went vegan first. I think it was maybe two years before that. Okay, that and I don't really remember for how long I was vegan. I would say it was more plant based because I don't think if you're vegan, you can go back because it's a change. I don't know your likes and your moral. So I would say that was more plant based and vegan back then. But I had no idea what I was doing. So I watched all the documentaries. I was watching a lot of YouTube what veganism and that really sparked my curiosity. And that's how I decided to go vegan overnight. And I had no idea how I was supposed to eat and I was someone who originally hated fruits and vegetables. It's very hard like I was I wasn't like one of the leaders. I knew I would have meat and dairy for like three times a day. It was bad. So going from that to being vegan was very complicated. And I wasn't educated on how to do it healthily. And back then Freelee the Banana Girl was very big on YouTube. Okay, I don't know if you know for you the Banana Girl. And we all know about her now but she was this vegan guru who had this perfect body and she was she was promoting this row till for lifestyle. So we didn't grow food until 4pm and then eating dinner, but like and you amounts of food and she said, yeah, there's nothing. There's no such thing as over eating. And she also came from a background of eating disorders, which I also did. So I was like, if she can do it like this, I should do the same thing. And we're getting like 10 bananas a day. That's why she was called a banana girl eating massive smoothies so that's what I started doing and I started fainting all the time and being very sick. Yeah, my health like I destroyed my health for a while. I have no idea what happened but my body hated it. I was not meant amount of cards, I guess. And I blanked on veganism because I didn't know any better. I thought that so I went back to eating animal products. And I didn't do went I didn't go vegetarian. I went straight to the meat again. And then for a while maybe took me a few months, maybe almost a year I guess I started really like watching documentaries again and educating myself again and feeling like my actions were not aligning at all was my beliefs. So I decided to actually go vegan for real and I want again overnight without really learning more but I said the day I wanted to get again to educate myself straightaway on how to eat and do the transition anymore. Like yeah, more smoothly. And I look back ever since and I never well

Carly Puch

when you I'm so curious when you went vegan the first time and your health was starting to struggle did a lot of people in your life to blame veganism?

Nour Livia

Everyone? Yeah, of course.

Carly Puch

So, it's so interesting because you can do any diet right or wrong or any way of eating right or wrong but it's always fascinating to me when things aren't attributed to like if people smoke or drink or eat fast food all the time, but someone goes vegan and everyone is up in arms about how you're going to keep it up or

Nour Livia

vegan I was still a smoker because I quit smoking almost five years ago now. I was I was running a lot drinking a lot like doing drugs sometimes. So that was I was like my house my lifestyle was completely different.

Carly Puch

So you weren't taking care of your body in other ways and then all of a sudden you were doing this like raw vegan diet and your body was like what's happening?

Nour Livia

Because like, now every one like a lot of my friends are either went through during are vegan or considering it or at least interested and curious. So and like it mostly my the people who I've met since but also the people who I knew who knew me for the first time I went vegan, no one remembers it like everyone's my friends remember, like, it's kind of like if it was another part of my life, like another life. And everyone like sees me as someone who's thriving and Reaganism, which I'm very happy about.

Carly Puch

Definitely. That's. So but and now you actually do nutrition coaching, and

Nour Livia

not anymore edits for a while. Yeah, it turned out that I, I enjoy reaching out to more people at once and doing things that are more general than just doing one thing. But I did a nutrition course by a major different story that was very interesting. And I really enjoyed it.

Carly Puch

Did that help your own understanding of what went, quote unquote, wrong the first time to

Nour Livia

absolutely. And it's interesting also, because there's so much science on the topic, and everyone has a different opinion. And the same research can show so many different things. And if you read books by those big fan base doctors who talk about how carbs are very important for you, if everything makes sense, you have some other ones are going to talk about how eating more fats is better for you, when all their research makes sense. If you're not a scientist yourself, it's hard to know what is true and what isn't. And I think we all have very different bodies. So it's important to experiment. It's all about trial and error. I think, personally, I know that I've tried the high carb, low fat diet. I've tried more high fat. I've tried more high protein, and I know that I thrive on a balance of everything. i Yeah, high carb doesn't work for me. High fat don't work for me. Yeah, balance with everything is good for me. And I'm very much into intuitive eating and trying to listen to my body, which takes a very long time to learn. Because we have Yeah, we've always thought our bodies to do the thing that our mind is telling. Like, yes, our bodies but our brain like Yeah, everybody listens to our brain, which I think is very, like the wrong way to do things. So I've learned,

Carly Puch

can you talk a little bit more about intuition.

Nour Livia

So basically, it means to try to there's no way to put it simply because it sounds very easy, like this just said like this, but it's not but it's basically learning what your body needs, why it's hungry. Like being able to discern hunger from just wanting to eat, and to know what kind of things making me feel good. And that takes a long time. It takes a lot of Yeah, trying to enter again, just trying different things. I tried for a while doing intermittent fasting. And that did that did not work for me. I have a lot of friends who love it and for whom it works really well. Because with a heavy past of eating disorders, it was just putting me back into a mindset of fried like controlling my food intake and just it was making me obsessed with food. So I decided to learn How to Eat more intuitively. And it turns out that most days, I'm actually intermittent fasting, but not because I force myself to, but because I'm just like, not really feeling like eating until a certain time. But if I'm feeling hungry, I will not hesitate to eat earlier, like this morning, I woke up very hungry, and I had some oatmeal, oatmeal, and that was great. So it's just about trying to find your body. And if you feel hungry, trying to know what is going to make you feel healthy. And I mean, it's very different. Also, I think for men and women, because I know women, depending on the time of their cycle, we need different things, different nutrients. And that's also something I don't know much about, and that I would love to learn more about. And I'm still going to list it.

Carly Puch

Would you be comfortable talking about your history with eating disorders, because it I really appreciate your willingness to talk about dealing with different things, because it's something I'm trying to do more because I think the more authentic and more I share, the easier it feels to connect with people. And it doesn't feel like you're on an island shirt.

Nour Livia

Yeah, it's something that I took me a long time to be able to talk about it. But I think it's very important to even just for me, it's it makes it easier if I just talked about it, I think. And also, we realize that so many of us struggle with those things.

Carly Puch

So you struggled with eating disorders before

Nour Livia

I started when I was like 12 or 13. I started hitters for 15 years.

Carly Puch

Okay. How did you work through that?

Nour Livia

It was a very, very long journey. I would say that recovery is always an uphill battle. It's, I don't think I can speak for everyone. But anyone I know who has been through this, everyone agrees that it's never really over. Like it's always something that will be part of you mostly when it's been a part of you for so long. Because you will have to fight against. And I know I've had times where I've relapsed, quote unquote. And I think it's part of life when you feel vulnerable. And when you're going through a tough time, it's easy to go back to what felt comfortable before. And yeah, even though it's very painful, it's good to remember what helped you get over it in the first place. But yeah, I think it was what really helped me was doing a lot of research about self care and self love starting to meditate journal, being more conscious. And also, I know that what works best for me. And what I'm always trying to achieve, is eat as healthy as I can. Because I know that if I know what I'm going to eat, and I make a plan, then I will not feel as bad. Yeah, I will not feel bad about what I'm eating. And I will not feel the need to go binge eating or to starve myself. And yeah, it's all about trying to find balance. And I know that if I eat clean most of the time, then I will not blame myself if I eat junk food at some point. So it's all about trying to find balance. It's still not perfect. And it's still hard sometimes. But yeah, always.

Carly Puch

Thank you for sharing. Thank you for making me open up. Does that did that feel connected to when you were dealing with depression? as well.

Nour Livia

It was the same time period when I was a teenager I struggled with depression with so it was an erection bulimia one like one and then the other always was alternating. And yeah, I mean, I went out. That's something I think I've spoken about it in a video on YouTube a while ago but I also when I was in the hospital three times for a suicide attempt that might depend on my knees orders when I was younger was when I was 1920 and 21. So yeah, all these things are definitely interconnected. Mm hmm.

Carly Puch

I have been dealing with depression I think for longer than I've well not dealing with it really I've had depression for longer than I was dealing with it is something I'm kind of working through now realizing how I've kept it just at bay enough. But now as in the last few months, I've really had to deal with it. And I remember talking to my therapist and saying what if it comes back and gets as bad as it was? was before, you know, just being worried and scared of that. And something that she said that I always come back to is, but you have more tools this time, you know, you got through it this time this, huh. And I think about it a lot when I start to kind of worry Oh, what if that dark cloud is coming back? I'm like, Well, I got through it. And I have the tools from last time. So it's like every and she was really honest, which I really appreciate. She was like, it might, it might come back like that. We don't know. I can't tell the future. But what tools do you have this time that you didn't have last time? So?


Nour Livia

Yeah, and I honestly feel like, personally, I feel like it can not get as bad as it used to be. Because actually, yeah, because now I'm more conscious. And I, I've learned to know myself much better. And I know what works for me and helps me. So whenever I feel like I'm falling back into the kind of pattern, I know how to pick myself up. I've learned over the years, I used to be someone who could not be alone, I was so afraid of myself being on my own, always be around other people. And I forced myself whilst traveling on my own. And I forced myself spend a lot of time alone, which ended up loving. And I've learned how to deal with things myself. I don't remember how where or when. But I remember someday hearing or reading somewhere. What was it exactly it was if you don't take charge of your life, no one will do it for you. And I may not have been those exact words, but something and like that was the idea. And I was like, Damn, that is so true. So so I decided to just do Yeah, figure things out on my own and work on myself. And I know how to do it. And if I need it, I know how to get back to a brighter place.

Carly Puch

Right? Well, I think that quarantine and everything going on in the world in 2020 has caused a lot of mental health issues to either resurface or come out or just be present in people that maybe don't even understand what's happening. And you put out an e book about surviving quarantine.

Nour Livia

nine quarters actually. Yeah, a little. I loved the

Carly Puch

the ebook. And I would love for you to talk a little bit more about that. And maybe you can share a few tips for how to get through Well,


Nour Livia

I think now it's not as relevant anymore, because most places are not very encouraging anymore. I don't know. How was it for you? Well,

Carly Puch

we're in the United States right now. There are a lot of states that are having a second surge that opened up too early. So there's a lot of talk now of kind of going back and needing to maybe reevaluate so we're kind of still in the in the thick of it. I think more than people realize I've been working at home since March and will be


Nour Livia

in the US wanted to come back to Europe and impossible. No one can. Mm hmm. Yeah. It's been a while since I haven't thought about it. Because yeah, here we've been more free lately.

Carly Puch

That sounds lovely.

Nour Livia

What kind of tips like on

Carly Puch

it was just comforting to, to like, look through your ebook, because it was like, oh, yeah, like, take care of myself, like, give myself some grace and all those things that we know. But we, especially right now, I can speak for myself and need to be reminded of

Nour Livia

a main thing. I think also, I think I've made a few mistakes and that eBay was at the beginning. And everyone was in this like super motivated mood, like, oh, okay, now we have all this time at home, you can learn so much we can do so much and what everyone was putting so much pressure on themselves. Like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, actually, they still only have 24 hours. We didn't get to more time. And putting that much pressure on ourselves, while also being confined, can be very stressful. So I think it's important to remind ourselves is the same thing as with all the low waste environmental things. We're going to do things that are good for us ourselves and remind ourselves and get ourselves some slack. And yeah, remind ourselves that we cannot do everything. And but it's also hard not to find excuses to fall on the other side. It's always about finding balance. I think it's good to to learn to have a good routine. If we're in quarantine. So when know what works for us and just experiment and do it on the different things. I mean, if you have, if you know you're going to be stuck at home for weeks or months, I'm to experiment with trying different things and like seeing if you enjoy I don't know, like doing yoga in the morning or in the evening if you enjoyed it. And what do you think are your priorities and I think once you figure out what is good for you, and what works for you, that's the reason why I love routines is because I don't necessarily stick to them to the tee every day. Know that if I get to a place where I'm not feeling as good anymore, I know that I have a system that I can fall back to that works for me.

Carly Puch

Definitely, that is so important to have the the routine that you know really works. It's almost like a checklist. If I'm starting to feel like I'm having a bad day. It's almost like I can think of that routine and think of that list and think okay, before I fall over, did I do those things that I know exactly. Be hard. Like, sometimes I

Nour Livia

know that what works for me, but I wake up and I'm like, I don't feel like doing it, even though I know it's lazy or I feel like I want to do something else. And also I discovered things that make me very happy doesn't necessarily have to be in a routine. But I know that cooking makes me very happy. Fourth, I don't spend an hour cooking every morning. But I know that if I spend the kitchen meal or cooking for other people, I will feel good. And it's very, it's very meditative for me. And according to us use the background. And right before you call me I was I was reporting some plants. And I've been growing a lot of like a lot of vegetables and a lot of that just makes me very happy. It's like it's been really to a happy place. And I know that's something that works and makes me get some headspace and take my craziness

Carly Puch

and just slowing down. Definitely. So let's talk a little bit more about low waste and sustainability and how you got interested in learning about those things.

Nour Livia

So that yeah, I get that question a lot, but I don't actually really know and remember it just like slowly made its way into my life. Um, it's very came from veganism because I went vegan before learning all about the environment. I think from going vegan, I watched Cowspiracy. And then I started watching more videos, and I discovered a lot of channels that actually talk about both you can zoom in the environment. And the thing is, I have a thing when I learned something new and I feel like it's important. I feel like I need to learn more and to be able to share about it. I feel like as a human, it's my duty to warn what what's wrong and help people make better choices. So yeah, I think basically it just seemed very gradually after I went vegan, I started learning more about it and feeling like I needed to do more research and I'm still feel like a noob I still feel like I have so much more to learn and so many more books to read and documentaries to watch. And some of that feels very overwhelming. And I feel like so many people know way more about way more than me about the topic. So, yes, yeah, I still feel like I am on the path to learning more about what I can do. And I think better.

Carly Puch

What you share and the videos that you have on YouTube are all really approachable. Which is something that I really appreciate because I talked about this in another interview, but I think that it's hard sometimes when you get an interest sparked like Oh, veganism. I I've been curious about that, or, Oh, making less waste. I'm curious about that. And sometimes you can find resources that are so overwhelming that it makes you think, oh, nevermind, I could never do that. And that's really hard. But I think the things I've read from you and the videos are all really like really good for making you feel like you can be a part of that too. And I really love to hear

Nour Livia

Yeah, I'm just trying to make everything easy and approachable. I mean I've written three ebooks. Also on one is about veganism and with recipes. One is about sustainability and one is about self care and self love. And the one of sustainability is like a device everything in four categories to kind of try to tackle different areas of your life I'm trying to make like all this free ebooks are very easy tips. Think that anyone can do and I'm trying to just put Everything is like, yeah, an easy form with easy words. simplify everything. So it doesn't feel overwhelming. It's very important because yeah, a lot of people don't have much time, much free time to do all those things. And if they don't have a real good reason, if they don't really know why they want to change, why would he change, right? Like, so if you make things easy and approachable for everyone, then maybe they might look into it a bit more and might spark their curiosity and then they will want to learn more themselves.

Carly Puch

And I think finding that why is so important, because that is what keeps me motivated to make change is the overarching why. And it's like when I really connected to it being more than just about myself, right? Like about it being about the big picture, then I really connected to it on a different level.

Nour Livia

The other day, I was riverbank food with my colleagues. And one of my colleagues was mainly he's mainly plant based, but he's completely vegan. And i That day, I was like, You know what, I don't really get done very often, but I feel like we can chill. So I got some vegan cheese. For the environment like, well, this is like it will be healthier to eat normal. She's like, Well, I was I was saying that I know that this is not like the healthiest one. It was from like, you know, think from the supermarket and I was like, okay, but just once in a while I'm reminded, and I'll be healthier to eat some normal cheese. I was like, Well, I don't care. Like I'm not the reason why I'm choosing this. I like I am my I care about my health. But it's not my number one priority. And the reason why even if it wasn't good for my health, and I would need to supplement like crazy, I will still be eating again because that is not the number one reason why I am vegan. No, yeah.

Carly Puch

Well, I think that was my health was my insert into veganism like that's where it came from. And then that is similarly to you think then that's where the environmental stuff came from. And then finally, the animal rights came from and that was the one that I had known, but was avoiding because I didn't want to deal with it. But it was definitely health was the starter and health is still a huge motivator, and has been a big game changer for my body. But it's not the only thing. And I think that's what you were talking about. In the beginning of the interview, you made a distinction between being vegan and being plant based. And one having ethics and

Nour Livia

being plant based is more about the food that you eat. Then based people to allow themselves to have very once in a while. Yeah, some even like some fish or Yeah, some animal products in general. And, but it's not really about because like when you're vegan, it's it implements so many different things. And it just involves everything in your life. It's about what you wear, like it's about leather, Wool Silk, about choosing products that are cruelty free in your day. And it's of course you can be perfect. Yeah, you can't be perfect. And like, I happen someday that that mistake, it will be something that is not vegan. Like I mean, food wise. I hope not that I know of. Yeah, and unfortunately, it's not always super easy, but it's all about making the best choices that you can.

Carly Puch

So you just brought up clothing and that's something I've more recently started looking more into just about sustainability. And it looks like you have your own line of sustainable clothing I

Unknown:38:55

do but I haven't really promoted that much so it hasn't grown. Yeah, and I'm this is just to design that I made. And one is but veganism and one is more environmental design. And I really love them. I actually have them have some of them here myself. But yeah, that's something that was very exciting, but it's not easy because I even if I sold some I mean it's it's all sustainable and ethical. So it's passive

Carly Puch

Yeah, they're super cute. I was looking at them yesterday. Yeah, no, I love the design.

Nour Livia

They're super comfy.

Carly Puch

So what got you interested in sustainable fashion? Because that's one for me that I think is, you know, like all of this stuff you just take for granted, where clothing comes from and how it's made and all of that stuff. And that's been more of a recent thing for me that I've Really thrifted more, and if I'm gonna buy something new, I look at the company more and but it's also a, that's a privilege to, to be able to have the time to do that. So that's another thing where the conversation has to be about accessibility. Yeah,

Nour Livia

yes. So then again, that's, I don't really know how I came to this the same again, like everything led to everything. And I learned about it when I was, I think, I think most of the things I learned about on YouTube, because I go, you have a lot of YouTubers who talk about all those topics, to like, Spark light on, on all different topics. And once again, I felt like it was my duty when I started learning about all this, to share about it and to make more to do more research and learn more. And so that's what happened. But I know that it's not easy for everyone. And unfortunately, we live in a world where we value convenience over things. So it's easy to just, yeah, go out. And just any new T shirt, well just go to h&m and buy the cheapest one. And that's it. So I make a conscious effort to buy either, first of all to buy very rarely try to reduce my consumption as much as I can. And I think that's the main thing we can do to reduce our impact, like in every way. And when I need to buy, I will try to buy secondhand, as soon as possible. And if I cannot find what I need, then I will turn to a sustainable and ethical brand. It's sometimes hard as well. It's also way more expensive, usually, so and secondhand is cheap. But I mean, not everyone has access to secondhand flooring. I do definitely I mean, great here, but I still have the option. Depending on where you live in the world is not always easy to find. And depending on your body shape, body size, you might not need and if you need and if you don't have many resources financially, most of the time, you don't really have like many options. So I think it's remember to not blame and shame others for their choices. And also, I think a lot of people blame people who are not educated. But we have to remember that we were that educated at some point. And it's like, all the angry vegans will get very mad at people who don't know better, but you were there at some point unless you were born to begin. That's very rare. Right, so I think it's important to also keep in mind that everyone has a different background and comes from a different place. And so we do accept others and have the patience to explain. and lead by example, I think is the best thing we can do is just make people see that we are living living in alignment with our beliefs and with our values is making us happy. And the yen just I think that's the best way we can convey the message.

Carly Puch

That's something that I definitely need to remember. Because when I first started getting interested in all these things, I feel like I was because I became so passionate and I it's like the, you know, the class gets pulled out from over your eyes and you're like, oh, there's a lot of things wrong with the world. We have to fix it. And I have to do it right now. And everyone should listen to me and join the fight. And it's so hard that I think a lot of people in my life were like, well, and then I think back to my best friend since I we were eight years old. She's still my best friend. She became vegan when we were really young. And she was way ahead of the curve. And I have only been vegan for a few years. And it was like a very slow transition for me. And I just think of her patients and her always just you know, like being my best friend growing up despite the fact that I was always like hunting and fishing and eating meat and because I grew up in northern United States in the woods and that was just normal. And once it like hit me and all dawned on me I just remember talking to her and being like wow, it was really just you like being there and showing me that it was possible and not throwing it in my face are making me feel bad. Like I guess that's what I have to do for other people who would have thought.

Nour Livia