How to Raise a Vegan Family with Cory Warren




Cory Warren is a husband, father of three, and vegan athlete who helps busy families eat more plant-based foods! His blog, Lean Green DAD, helps over-scheduled, busy people (mostly parents) maintain a healthy balance of plant-based nutrition, fitness, and overall wellness so they can go the extra mile for their families. Cory and Carly talk about raising a vegan family, the different ways to be an activist, and more.


Please note, this episode has been transcribed by a computer, expect some typos!


Carly Puch

Welcome back to another episode of Consciously Clueless. I'm your host, Carly, and I'll be your guide on this journey from consciousness to cluelessness and back around again. Today on the podcast, I talked to Cory Warren. Cory is a husband, father of three and vegan athlete who helps busy families eat more plant based foods. His blog, lean green dad helps overscheduled busy people, mostly parents maintain a healthy balance of plant based nutrition, fitness and overall wellness so they can go the extra mile for their families. I'm really excited for you all to hear this conversation as I learned a ton. Here we go. Okay, cool. So thank you for joining me on the podcast. Of course, I'm really excited to talk to you unfollowed you for quite a while on social media. Yeah,


Cory Warren

Awesome. No way. Thank you so much.


Carly Puch

Yeah, it's been so fun. I don't even remember how I found you. I don't know. It's social media, things pop up. And there it is. But I like starting with the question, because the podcast is called consciously clueless. And that was to express this idea of me being on this journey and being like, wow, sometimes I'm really with it. And sometimes I have no freaking clue what's going on. So how are you feeling right now on that scale, from consciousness to cluelessness? where you're at right now,


Cory Warren

as far as consciousness, as it pertains to kind of, you know, myself being a conscious human being or myself being a conscious vegan, like, what, in what context?


Carly Puch

Whatever comes in whatever comes to mind for you, like, where are you right now, maybe just as a human, let's


Cory Warren

say, Yeah, I love that. So you know, as a human being, there's a lot going on in the world going on in the world right now. And it's very easy to do the easy thing and get upset. I think that every time I wake up in the morning, I'm super conscious about where I am, what I am doing, and what is the first thing that I'm going to do. The first thing I do is usually hit snooze, if I'm being real, right, like, I gotta hit that snooze button, and get that eight minutes that Apple gives you on the iPhone. So just keep on going. And then I'll, you know, enjoy the warmth of the covers. And then probably, I'm very, very conscious about my feet hitting the floor first, feeling my feet on the floor. The first thing I do is not pick up my cell phone to find out what notifications I might have missed. And I think that's probably the go to for everybody. I phone does not come with me into the restroom, it does not come with me while I brush my teeth, those updates will still be there. And I really just take some time to breathe, I open the window in the bathroom before I go into you know the kitchen or anywhere else and let that natural light in. And then I start off with a with a lemon water and do my thing. I think being aware of yourself and how you're feeling any any aches and pains physically, anything like that, of course, and just taking a second to do nothing. Literally nothing Connect. That could be meditating that could be walking to the kitchen, being conscious being present, being aware of how you and your whole body is, is very big deal. And like I said, going back to the very beginning. It's like so easy to get distracted. With everything going on. There's a lot of hate going on. There's a lot of negativity and you know, the elections going on at the time we recorded this so it you know, it's rough. It's just rough out there. But yeah, I challenge you to just do the best you can to work on on you. You know?


Carly Puch

Yeah, I love that. I love love. Love that because I am certified as a health coach, and I teach yoga and do all that stuff. And I joke but not really joking, that it's a selfish endeavor, because I truly believe helping people feel individually better, like sets them up to go change the world. Yeah, I'm like, Yeah, I want to help you feel better, but I'm also really hoping that you then like take that energy out.


Cory Warren

You know? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, you gotta be a, we always talk about like, you know, as as vegan parents, of course, we always encourage our kids to wave their vegan flag proudly like, and you know, not not in an aggressive way. We are definitely not a forceful advocacy family. And I don't I don't mean that in any offense to anyone that is an activist of forcible activists. You know the pitas of the world. I just love those folks. And you know how I've done stuff for PETA kids and everything else. I love PETA. It's just our family's personal, you know, goals just don't align with the way that some people do it. And so, we choose to just leave By example, and, you know, when people ask us about certain things, we're always happy to talk to them about it. And we want to be those folks that are like, yeah, those are those are cool vegans like, those are the cool, I like talking to those guys. Right? And so, no judgement, just just trying to share what's worked for us best as a family. And if somebody vibes with that, then cool.


Carly Puch

Yeah, I'm really glad you said that. Because I think that's taken me a little bit to understand that there's like different ways of doing activism, right? Because my go to is to be more, or it was more maybe before is to be outspoken, but also to put people on the defense. And I thought that anybody who wasn't sharing and being outspoken and blah, blah, blah, wasn't really doing it. Right. And I think it's been good to me to be challenged by that notion, because that's just not what everyone can do and not what everyone can hear.


Cory Warren

Yeah, I'm, I've stepped, I've stepped away because I'm looking for an incredible book in my bookshelf that talk. I forget who said this? Gosh, I really want to find it. Because I know that it's got some brilliance to it. It's not the why access? Well, I won't take too much. I won't take too much more time looking. I'm sorry, Carly, but it is a good. It's a good book. Anyways, it was a psychologist that talked about when people ask you, where do you get your protein? You know, the number one question everyone asks a vegan, right. Um, they, there's multiple ways that you can go about that you can say something aggressive, like shoo, please, everybody else gets their protein, or like, you can stay like from plants, you know, like something like that. But the truth is, in order to find out if the person really wants to know, or if they're just messing with you, like, they're just like, you know, being a jerk, you have to actually say something else back to them. And that is very simple, you know, what, I don't know. And then see what happens after that. Right? Because if they elaborate more, and they find out more, you know, that's, that's a person that really wants to know. And so, you know, if you want to elaborate on the, I don't know, but my doctor hasn't had any problems, right, I've been going to getting blood tested, everything's good, you know, other than like, vitamin D, iron, or, you know, the actual, but those are, what two of the biggest deficiencies in all of the world and not just for vegans, right? B 12 is fine. I mean, there's protein powders with B 12. Now, you know, you can get B 12. And from food sources there, you know, a B 12 supplement is still good. I still take one once a week, just to be sure. But it's overkill. I mean, you can't take too much B 12. So that's good. pee it out. So whatever, right. But, you know, overall, I think just having a non combative approach actually welcomes people in and makes them want to learn more. And so, um, I always, I always just try to be chilled, and just try to be chill and let people know that I'm open having a conversation about it. And the truth is like that my second or third thing is like, do you know, do you know how much protein we're supposed to have on a daily basis? I bet you it's okay, if you don't, because most people don't like I, right. There's like some crazy math equation you have to do to figure it out. You know, you can talk to a dietitian about that. I'm not a dietician. But it's like, I think it's like 1.5 times, you know,


Carly Puch

something you like putting your weight and your blah, blah, blah.


Cory Warren

It's like nobody tracks their daily protein and taken off. They're a bodybuilder and they're trying to put on significant muscle, which makes sense, right? But yeah, for us, it's just, it's just, we go off of how we feel. I mean, I feel like I've maintained the same weight for like, I don't know, 15 years or something. It's like ridiculous. I've just been I just don't move because I just keep eating the same types of foods over and over. And, you know, that's, that's it. I think. I don't know how we got on that tangent, but


Carly Puch

that's a good one. That doesn't matter how we got there. So how long have you been vegan?


Cory Warren

Yeah, so it's been nine years. My daughter is 12. We transitioned her when she was three. And she's my oldest. So I have 12, nine and five. Okay, it's been nine years and then I started kind of dabbling in the whole vegan side of things. When I found out that Dave Scott, one of the winningest Iron Man's of all time, was vegan. And so I was doing triathlons at the time I had the Ironman coming up. And so I just started to be more aware more conscious of what I was putting in my body. And believe it or not, my wife was diagnosed with ulcerative colitis. And so it was always in the back of our head, like maybe we should, you know, transition to a plant based diet. Vegan Do whatever you want to call it. And I know people are like really passionate about both of those words. Bottom line is if you care about animals, you use the term vegan. If you care more about the food, then you use the term plant based whatever, guys, semantics, and people can label me whatever they want. I'm plant based. I'm vegan, like, really? Like, is there a downside to caring about yourself? The animals or the planet? Like, cares why you're vegan? Or why you're plant based? Who cares? They're all good things.


Carly Puch

Right? Totally.


Cory Warren

So it's all good. Yeah, it's been nine years. My daughter has never looked back. She She's fine. You know, people always ask me if I force my kids to do this. I'm like, man, like, No, there's no, they don't know anything else.


Carly Puch

So they just like if it was the opposite, right? Yeah. Yeah. Like,


Cory Warren

they don't desire to eat meat. They don't miss me too, because they don't feel like they're missing out on anything. And the truth is, like, there's so many stinking substitutes out there. Now. It's like, Yeah, I think chicken is Gardein. Right? Like, burgers are beyond the burgers. And that's fine. They don't need to freakin eat a cow to like, experience something that they're missing with the beyond. He's amazing, right? It really does. So like, yeah, no, it's it's chill. And that's how long it's been nine years now. So


Carly Puch

it started with it sounds like it started with health. Yeah. And so then how did you kind of like domino effect into other issues?


Cory Warren

Yeah, so it started. Yeah. So people become you know, vegan for like the animals the planet or themselves. And for us, it was super selfish. We wanted to heal. My wife tried to help her out.


Carly Puch

Oh, it was for me. It was all about health for me too. So I get


Cory Warren

oh, yeah, that's where it started. You know, she, the doctor is telling you like, we have no idea why she has this, you know, and we just did some, some research and found that like, Look, man, it has to be what we put in our body. And I mean, this is a chronic illness, this is not going away. Once ulcerative colitis rears its ugly head is with you forever. So, you know, I'd love to say like, oh, we cured her medication, and she doesn't take medication anymore. That's not the case. That's not our story. She gets an infusion every four weeks, we have a very serious drug that she has to take, because her quality of life is so severely affected by her illness, that she has to have it. Yeah. And, you know, the thing is, is like, we could say that the food doesn't do anything, we could say that, well, she should just be able to eat whatever she wants, because whatever she eats is gonna mess her up anyways, that's not true. You got to take some personal responsibility for what you're doing and give the medicine the chance to work like thank God we have, you know, so we can absolutely, you know, help ourselves. But, man, you know, my wife, we have three kids, she's got to be a mom, she's got to experience life, she's got to go to work. She can't always be running to the bathroom, or live her life and severe pain. And so the choice we made together, and it works, and, you know, we'll take each year as it comes. And if her body develops like kind of like antibodies or whatever to the medicine, then we'll figure that out too. But we know that we're doing the best we can with what we have. And she's taking personal responsibility for how she eats. She doesn't go cramming and McDonald's she doesn't go cramming and fast food and junk like that. Like she does the best she can every single day. And she definitely likes red wine. That's her thing. Yeah, survive. She loves wine.


Carly Puch

Well, I think what you're identifying, and it's an interesting kind of cultural phenomenon, or whatever it is, that there's this idea of like medicine just gives you this free range. Right? So what you're kind of saying is like, yes, she takes medicine because she has this chronic illness. But that doesn't mean that she shouldn't be trying to be healthy still with her lifestyle choices, specifically her food because I think there's this idea of like, oh, I have high blood pressure. I'll just eat the same but then take medicine.


Cory Warren

Yeah, that's exactly right. You got to take some personal responsibility. You hit a home run with that. That's That's true. That's true. It's not going to save you the medicines not going to save you you're gonna save you. And medicine is just a tool in the toolbox. So yeah,


Carly Puch

that's a good statement. You're gonna save you. So your social media, specifically your Instagram, I think what drew me to following you was your relationship with now I'm learning your oldest daughter.


Cory Warren

Oh, yeah. Izzy. So yeah, there's easy Roger and Parker. Okay. Yeah, Parker is my mini me. He's like an exact copy of me. Roger, we adopted as a baby. So we've had him my son is black for anybody that doesn't know. And then Isabel is a carbon copy of my wife. If so, we always say like we have too many me's and then we have like one of the most attractive humans on the planet and my son. He's got like, the best hair, I cut his hair personally. So like, I give him his, like, you know, Flat Top Fade and everything and he's got these amazing curls that anybody that has black kids or is black, like, there's this massive sponge that you can swirl and like activate the curls. And so that's what we do. And it's absolutely incredible. This kid is so attractive. And, you know, from his eyes to his teeth to his skin, like Yeah, and he was super allergic to dairy, like super allergic to dairy, which most people have some sort of dairy and taller, because they're not cows. So, yeah, we had tried just, I think at the beginning the formula we had had like a little bit of dairy in it, and we were unaware and so he was just like so upset. So it's pretty cool. My Hey, dude, man, you came into the right family. Yeah, no kidding. On the right family. So yeah, he's good. His skin is awesome. And yeah, he's, he's, he's actually super passionately vegan. Like, you look back and be like, is that vegan? Because if it's not, I'm not eating that garbage. It was like, whoa.


Carly Puch

Amazing. He's like developing this little activism.


Cory Warren

Lens. Yeah, now he was one of the top 10 pitas vegan cutest vegan kids like award was in the top 10. But yeah, he didn't, he didn't get close to winning because I think that was the year Genesis participated in Genesis is like, yeah, you know, he doesn't do any activism, he does not stand in front of SeaWorld with a sign, you know, and he just, he's just not going to do that. But hey, that's why Genesis is there. We love her.


Carly Puch

Oh my gosh, well, your relationship with Izzy and your dancing videos is what drew me in because I am I'm very close with my dad. And I was like, if we if, if we would have grown up more in like the age of social media about like, that would have been me and my dad being like, let's make some of these dancing videos. And I just loved it. I could not get enough of it. And I think it's I think it's really great to see that like father daughter relationship, and it's cool to see her and you interact and talk about veganism and like making food and stuff.


Cory Warren

Thank you. Yeah, she, she does some IG reels on my channel. She actually gets paid like five bucks every time if she does something like that. So like, She's funny. But yeah, she's, she's awesome. She's becoming a teenager and a young woman. And so it's very important that we don't grow apart, we grow together. And so we do dance on Tik Tok every now and then underlying green dad and then I sometimes share it to Instagram. I haven't done a tic tock in quite a while. I don't know. I don't know why. But we had one viral video had over 100,000 views and oh, wow, a big way we're dancing to. Who was it? Ariana Grande. So yeah, that'll do it. I think we say so. Why don't you say so?


Carly Puch

Well, I'm requesting a new dance video soon. You can tell Izzy that I have requested?


Cory Warren

I will. I will. It's hard to find one without cuss words or extremely suggestive words that you know, while the roads are aware of, but as her dad, I don't want to be responsible for going live talking about you know, whatever. I mean, the other day my daughter told me I had cake. She's like, Oh, Dad, you've got mad cake. I was like, I'm sorry. Like, just in your bike. Your bike. Your butt looks like mad cake. I was like, Thanks, yo. I'll take that as a compliment. 12 year old told me I got cake. Oh my god. That's amazing. Yeah, yeah, it's all good. It's how they talk these days. Those young ones. Just let her be happy. So


Carly Puch

lean green Dad, where did that come from? So you were you went vegan? And you're like, Oh, I'm going to share start sharing this on social media. Where did that come from?


Cory Warren

So funny enough, I was actually iron dad before this because I was running, you know triathlons and stuff like that. So I became iron dad. But then I got a cease and desist letter from the Ironman Triathlon saying I was infringing on their copyright. So I changed my name to Lean Green Dot same mission different name, and way more inclusive. And so that happened in I want to say like 2018 or something. Okay, yeah. And so 2018 I became LEED Green dad and then have been just doing fun stuff ever since. And it's really just a fun awesome family blog and I just love doing it every now and then and I run I run a marketing company so I don't I don't advertise it but I run a marketing company called see for social and that company. You know, I'm able to test that out you know, see for sale or a lien green dad, for my clients. And so I you know, I sell a product I sell meal plans. And my meal plan is, you know, lean green meal plan.com. And, you know, it's it's just a $7 subscription, and I send awesome, like brand new vegan meals, you can make like 15 minutes or less and try to take care of dinner for busy plant based families. And it's fun, you know. So I love it as my testing ground. And, you know, Izzy can help me make recipes together. And she's always sometimes she draws these little animations like she drew the other day, we make this vegan ricotta. And so she drew a lemon, and a tofu block jumping into a blender. Kind of like Thelma and Louise, I guess they sacrifice themselves in the blender, and they turned into vegan ricotta. So that was cool. And I shared that out with like, the ricotta recipe. And man, it's just fun. It's just fun. They're good kids. And, you know, we have our, we have our stuff just like anybody else, man, like, my wife and I are normal. We've been married for 15 years, we get in fights, whatever, we're human beings. My daughter talks crappy to me and my son is yelling, and my little son, you know, won't use the real human being potty. He's got to use a baby potty. I'm like, Come on, man. So like we we got our problems just like anybody else. But we tried to, to lead by example, and just have fun and focus on the positive. And I think that that that helps. And hopefully it brings some people some smiles. So I'm glad it made you smile.


Carly Puch

It's true. I'm not on tick tock because I feel like I have it would just be something else to keep track of. But when you share them to Instagram, I see them for sure.


Cory Warren

So did you Yeah, I'll have to do that out to share more.


Carly Puch

Yes, please. Do you have intentions of Lean Green dad growing? Like, are you wanting to make that more or?


Cory Warren

I mean, lean green dad's doing well. It's cute. I mean, I love it. It's, it's adorable. I mean, it's it's a self sustaining revenue driver. And, and it makes make some some great revenue, helping people change their lives to a plant based diet. You know, I wrote a book with the foreword by you know, rip Esselstyn and that book, give it away for free to anybody that joins Lean Green Team, which is my private Facebook group.


Carly Puch

And I did not realize that you've written a book.


Cory Warren

Oh, yeah. It's, I mean, it's in Amazon. And I think it sells for like, 799 or something like that. But I'm not like a New York Times bestseller or whatever. It's just a digital book. I did not get it printed or anything like that. And it's not no, no publishers or anything. But, ya know, rip wrote the foreword. And he's still to this day, a great friend, and I give it away, I give it away for free, because I want people to learn about this from the dad point of view. And so so that's what it is, like, 54 pages, and, you know, five chapters and a bunch of recipes. And, yeah, yeah, there's recipes. There's, I think there's 15 recipes that you can make three different ways. So it amounts to like 45 different recipes, but yeah, that's, that's, that's how we do it. And it's awesome. So I mean, yeah, it'll grow. I mean, it grows organically over and over and over. But I'm not like concerned with how many followers I have. And like, how many people are liking this and that I'm just kind of concerned with helping families out through the lingering team, or, you know, on the Facebook page, or like, you know, doing stuff like this. My main job is is my, my company, see for social so I just really helped brands and it's funny because a lot of vegan brands like come my way they naturally find me from other vegan brands that we have, right? And so we're able to spread the mission even further, right, like spread that cause even further and help people out. So it's fun.


Carly Puch

Did you have intentions when you like you were iron dad before? And so when you were iron dad, were you sharing about plant based eating and stuff? Or was it lean green dad really transitioned that into more?


Cory Warren

No, it was the same as lean green dad. I was already doing the vegan thing. Yeah, as iron dad. And so yeah, it just happened to be how it was. I was just a healthy fit dad. And yeah, yeah, it's funny. Yeah. It's always been it's always been the plant based thing, just kind of educating people that being a plant based dad is the way to go.


Carly Puch

Do you have a lot of successful like transition stories where people are like, it's because of you that I went plant based.


Cory Warren

I only have testimonials on like, lean green meal plan.com of like everyday people that you know, I love talking to the people that are going through the McDonald's window because they think that they're too busy to make food for their kids. There's a reason my recipes are 15 minutes or less. There's a reason that they're super simple. There's a reason I use steam in the bag rice, not brown rice because I'm talking to people that are not chefs, and they don't want to be chefs like if you want that gold Get a really good book with like 60. If you have 60 minutes, and no kids and you want to make an awesome recipe, go do it. Right, right. I don't even have 30 minutes. I'm like, show me how to make something in five minutes that I can put in the crock pot, go give my kids a bath and come back and it's read on, you know. And so I have this rice and beans hack recipe, where you put the rice, the water, or the veg broth, you got to cook your rice and veg broth because it's like game changing. Or and then you put a bowl of beans inside the Instant Pot, close it. 22 minutes, go come back. It's done. Right. Like that's, that's what I love. It took me 30 seconds to make that and now my whole family of five can eat this whole meal, right? So that's what I'm about.


Carly Puch

I really love that because I think they're you know, there's so many Instagram accounts that are like drool worthy vegan food recipes. And they're super fun to look at. But I don't have kids or a family to worry about. But I still don't want to take 60 minutes to cook every night. You know, I just don't I like to cook. But I think it's really great to specifically talk to a population that would come at that being like, I don't have time.


Cory Warren

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And it's a niche. It's a niche group of people. It's like, vegan parents, right? Yeah, very niche down. So I don't know how many vegan parents are out there. But a lot of them are like scared to talk about it. So it's all good. I understand. But I just want them to feel like they're not alone. And you know, when I asked the question, hey, tofu or tempeh a I want people to be like, oh, man, I gotta chime in on this and why you know, and not feel weird about commenting on it? Right? Yeah. So


Carly Puch

did you ever have any kind of like confused questions or anything? I'm imagining parents of like your kids friends being like, oh, no, is he's coming over? What will I feed her?


Cory Warren

Yeah, I actually just posted a question with a graphic and Leanne green dad was like, What do I feed you vegan people? And I just asked people like, how do you answer this question? And they were like, you know, a lot of different answers. Some people were mad, some people were happy with it. And you know, that's okay, we need a motion. So here's here's just some responses. I asked people when they come into the Lean Green Team, what their number one struggle is with a plant based diet. And they range from things like all of it to I'm missing bread, prepping ahead. I'm so busy and minimal time to cook. I grew up a carnivore, so it doesn't come naturally. You know, sweets. Oh, man, I hear you on that. Sweets is like, my brother. And yeah, yep. Yeah, finding something every one of my family will eat. You know, a lot of stuff I get to is like, women, the majority of my followers are women, which makes sense because women rule the internet. And they also make all the decisions for the house, so


Carly Puch

and the world and you know, everything else? Right? Good. Yeah. Seriously.


Cory Warren

You know, I think that a lot of women struggle with the fact that their men are meat and potato guys, you know, is really struggling with giving up meat because they associate it with like manliness or manhood. Yep. But then like, if you watch a movie, like game changers, or whatever, and they do that special on like, how blood flow and stuff like that, and then you start talking about erections and stuff like that. And it's like, Come on, man. Like, if you want to increase blood flow, and you want to be like, you want to be a man, like, what is being a man anyways? Like, what does that mean? You know, so I think that, you know, associating this like hunter gatherer type of fuel, and like, I hunt for my dinner and this. I understand hunting in like a, you know, traditional way I get it, like, I've actually interviewed a vegan that was grew up hunting. I mean, they don't do it anymore. But he taunting? Did you really? Yeah. It's like until you fully understand, like, the whole hunting ceremony and like, how it brings families together and things like that. Then, you know, who are we to judge immediately on that whether it's right or wrong, right?


Carly Puch

Indigenous cultures, right, that like, of course, all their rights have been stripped from them. I'm not about to tell somebody who's indigenous that they shouldn't go hunt for their food.


Cory Warren

Of course, it's hard. And so you know, those, those are things that we all need to think about and in being conscious and trying to understand how we feel about it and our place in the world with that stuff. It's a good conversation to have.


Carly Puch

Yeah, totally. That was one of the hardest, like, last things because I gave up hunting. And then I was still fishing. I'm in I'm from Northern Minnesota. So that's just like, what we do. Yeah, and it was the connection point for my whole life of my dad. You know, like the deer stand together the boat together like that was when we always had these like hilarious, ridiculous conversations and connection. So I remember talking to him about how I wasn't gonna fish anymore. And like the heat the sadness in his voice. You know, that was really hard. But I feel very lucky that my dad will still like, connect like he isn't in Minnesota anymore. But he came to visit and it was during deer season. He was like, why don't we just go sit in the stand and the only thing we'll shoot the deer with is a camera. Just because we can go and like, relive those memories. But you know, I know you don't want to hunt and I was like, Oh my gosh, I'm so lucky. Because a lot of families are like, what?


Cory Warren

Yeah, that's incredible. That even said that to you. That's amazing. Yeah. So


Carly Puch

but it was hard. It was I felt like I was letting him down. Yeah. But luckily, I have a dad who's like, willing to adapt and still like figure it out. But I can see how that is a struggle about the family connection thing. It's a it's a huge part of it.


Cory Warren

Yeah, it is. It is. I mean, when we we used to have barbecue chicken around the table, we would I would be the grill master and I was so good at it. And like, I'm so good at grilling, I just grill other things like I can make any poor fool like, I can make it taste just like stinking pay away or any Asian hibachi like I'm a good man, I can make a crazy good cheese steak like a vegan cheese steak. It's good. Oh my god. I just made it the other day on Facebook Live and people were like going crazy. Like, I want to see how you make this. I'm like, Okay, it's really easy. No, but it was really, really good. So yeah, yeah, it's a we just got to be. It's got to be nicer to each other. You know?